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Svima onima kojima sam dosadio anti-Linux komentarima na Linux forumu dajem melem za rane.
Ovo je lista od 30 i kusur razloga zbog kojih nikada ne trebate da probate PC-BSD ili bilo koju od
takozvanih Baba Julkinih verzija FreeBSD-ija ili nedaj boze Net/OpenBSD-ija. LIstu sam ispisao ja licno
isprovociran veoma prijateljskom i pomalo naivnom porukom starog SuSE korisnika na PC-BSD forumu.
Uzivljajte 😉DesktopBSD (Austria) is one man show. He has graduate from university and has a real job now. DesktopBSD is now probably dead. The fundamental disagreement between him and PC-BSD was on the issue of the packaging system. PC-BSD put all the cards behind PBI which was ill conceived solution for volunteering (more or less) project from the very beginning. The number of PBI-s is a testimony to my statement. DesktopBSD decided to stick more to core FreeBSD and just create the
front end for binary packages and also compile them more rapidly since they are usually behind ports. I think that was a right approach.There is a slew of small desktop centric project which lived for a year or two just to die. FreeSBIE (Italian), ReFreeSBIE (Romanian FreeSBIE), TrueBSD (Belorusia), MidnightBSD, Damn Small BSD and so on and so forth.Most of the projects were run buy couple of guys from their garage as long as
things looked easy and then just disappear into thin air.Collectively they created couple good tools but that was about it.
The following is the short list of things I personally consider important to be able to compete on the desktop market for the average Joe.
1. LiveCD with the installer (accomplished partially with FreeSBIE which didn’t
have HDD installer, also RoFreeSBIE and TrueBSD)
2. High compression algorithm for LiveCD edition which will compress lots of
software 2GB on single 700mb CD like PCLOS (never accomplished)
3. Ability to resize NTFS or Ext2 to enable the space on the HDD for new
operating system (never accomplished). GParted can not be even ported to
FreeBSD since it is Linux specific.
4. FreeBSD even had a problems in the past to boot from extended partition (behind first 8GB).
5. Tool for automatic creation custom LiveCD like mklivecd of PCLOS (partially
possible with FreeSBIE tools)
6. LiveUSB version. (Never accomplished)
7. Windows tools for creating LiveCD and LiveUSB (UNetBoot partially accomplished)
8. Ability to run from NTFS like Wubu (never accomplished).
9. Solid front end for the binary packaging system (never accomplished).
10. Easy way to update binary packages.(Never accomplished)
11. Easy way to binary update base of the system (not possible)
12. Good HDD installer (PCBSD completely accomplished that).
13. Good GUI configuration tools (PCLOS comes to mind) never accomplished.
14. Easy way to configure network including wireless (never accomplished)
15. Good auto detection of the hardware like Knoppix (never accomplished)
16. Slick desktop (FreeSBIE based on Xfce was the coolest)
17. Lack of Gnome version
18. Lack of good auto detection tools for printers (goes under poor hardware
recognition)
19. Inability of developers even to list scanners supported by sane-backends
in usb driver headers which is necessary for them to work.
20. Completely worthless USB stock on FreeBSD which is currently been rewritten from scratch for 8.0.
21. No video camera drivers nor any work on it.
22. No native version of Flash.
23. No native version of Adobe Reader.
24. No native version of Skype.
25. Poor support for latest gadgets(Blue Tooth) .
26. HAL (hardware abstract layer which actually works)
27. Lack of virtualization software like WMWare or SUN’s VirtualBox.
28. Poor support for Wine (due to the fact that Wine is coded by Linux people)
29. Almost no support for all-in-one devices (HPLIP) is not fully functional on any BSD due to the fact that it is written for Linux.
30. Lack of proprietary drivers like the one for Epson scanners (Epkowa) or
Brother printers and scanners
31. Inability to run proprietary software like Mathematica, Maple, or MatLab since they are written for Linux.
32. Lack of proprietary drivers for video cards.
33. Lack of ALSA emulator (yes OSS is better so what)
34. Inability to easily mount NTFS, and Ext2 or Ext3 partition from PCBSD running inside Windows.
The list just goes on and on and it painful even to write these things.
In order for anything seriously to change one of big well off corporations
like Apple for instance would have fully to stand behind desktop version of
FreeBSD and to pay tens if not hundreds of developers to work full time on
FreeBSD. I honestly do not see that happening even in much better economic
conditions let alone in the middle of something which looks like a great depression.Istina ova lista se komotno moze preneti na bilo koji BSD jer npr PCBSD koristi isti kernel kao i FBSD 😀
Cak stavise PCBSD ipak ima kakve takve alatke koje olaksavaju stvari pocetnicima a cista izdanja nemaju nista od toga 😀Ja sam probao skoro FreeBSD 7.1 i stvarno ne znam zasto bi neko koristio BSD pored linux-a,sve sto ima freebsd ima i linux,pa i vise.Nisam primetio nista vise stabilnosti ili bilo cega vise nego sto imam na Arch linux-u.
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al mora da se prizna da su im sise privlačnije nego linus i bsd zajedno O0btw izgleda imgshack postaje sve manje popularan ,počeli da dopuštaju direktne linkove
,debili što vode imgshack 😀Da li je neko probao Quetzal_OpenBSD Live DVD. Ja sam, pre dve godine, isprobavajuci razne BSD, probao i ovo. Jedna od retkih gde nije proradio internet ( pored FuguIta_OpenBSD ). Posto sam za BSD mnogo veci laik nego za linux, ja ostadoh privrzen “pingvinu”. 🙂
stvarno ne znam zasto bi neko koristio BSD pored linux-a,sve sto ima freebsd ima i linux,pa i vise.Nisam primetio nista vise stabilnosti ili bilo cega vise nego sto imam na Arch linux-u.
Tom logikom neko bi mogao reći “zašto bih koristio linux, kad sve što mogu tamo, mogu i na windowsu, pa i više od toga, još lakše”.
Kakve veze ima, treba sve probati, pa koristiti šta ti najviše odgovara. BSD, da imaju više pameti, mogao bi postati neuporedivo bolji i kvalitetniji OS od linuxa, ali oni tvrdoglavo žele da ostanu svet za sebe, uporno odbijajući da se vode tržišnim logikama, i onim za čim obični korisnici vape. Zato i jesu tu gde jesu, a to je – skoro nigde, nažalost.[quote=”na12″]
stvarno ne znam zasto bi neko koristio BSD pored linux-a,sve sto ima freebsd ima i linux,pa i vise.Nisam primetio nista vise stabilnosti ili bilo cega vise nego sto imam na Arch linux-u.Tom logikom neko bi mogao reći “zašto bih koristio linux, kad sve što mogu tamo, mogu i na windowsu, pa i više od toga, još lakše”.
Kakve veze ima, treba sve probati, pa koristiti šta ti najviše odgovara. BSD, da imaju više pameti, mogao bi postati neuporedivo bolji i kvalitetniji OS od linuxa, ali oni tvrdoglavo žele da ostanu svet za sebe, uporno odbijajući da se vode tržišnim logikama, i onim za čim obični korisnici vape. Zato i jesu tu gde jesu, a to je – skoro nigde, nažalost.
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Mislio sam na one koji kazu da je bsd za klasu iznad linux-a,a ja sam samo negativne stvari video kod njega,npr. prilikom update-a moras dobro da pazis da ne zeznes kernel inace nece da se butuje itd.[quote=”MladenIsakovic”]
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stvarno ne znam zasto bi neko koristio BSD pored linux-a,sve sto ima freebsd ima i linux,pa i vise.Nisam primetio nista vise stabilnosti ili bilo cega vise nego sto imam na Arch linux-u.Tom logikom neko bi mogao reći “zašto bih koristio linux, kad sve što mogu tamo, mogu i na windowsu, pa i više od toga, još lakše”.
Kakve veze ima, treba sve probati, pa koristiti šta ti najviše odgovara. BSD, da imaju više pameti, mogao bi postati neuporedivo bolji i kvalitetniji OS od linuxa, ali oni tvrdoglavo žele da ostanu svet za sebe, uporno odbijajući da se vode tržišnim logikama, i onim za čim obični korisnici vape. Zato i jesu tu gde jesu, a to je – skoro nigde, nažalost.
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Mislio sam na one koji kazu da je bsd za klasu iznad linux-a,a ja sam samo negativne stvari video kod njega,npr. prilikom update-a moras dobro da pazis da ne zeznes kernel inace nece da se butuje itd.
[/quote]Ma daj covece sta ti pricas koji 7.1 kernel nece da se butuje prvi put cujem. I aj uporedi malo archov abs i bsd portove pa ce ti biti jasno zasto je po nekim pravilima za klasu iznad. [extra] i [community] su u haosu ceka se po pet nedelja na obican patch [aur] im se raspada ne vredi ga komentarisati samo se [core] kako tako drzi na nogama ali kilavo jer i tu im se greske provlace, pola dokumentacije prepisano od gentoo koji gle cuda malo imitira bsd 😀
Mozda je za klasu iznad po komplikovanosti(zakomplikovali ga i tamo gde nije bilo potrebe),ali za ostalo ne bih rekao.
Ma daj covece sta ti pricas koji 7.1 kernel nece da se butuje prvi put cujem. I aj uporedi malo archov abs i bsd portove pa ce ti biti jasno zasto je po nekim pravilima za klasu iznad. [extra] i [community] su u haosu ceka se po pet nedelja na obican patch [aur] im se raspada ne vredi ga komentarisati samo se [core] kako tako drzi na nogama ali kilavo jer i tu im se greske provlace, pola dokumentacije prepisano od gentoo koji gle cuda malo imitira bsd 😀
Mogao bi malo bolje da se informises umesto sto pricas svasta 😉
Arch istina ima ABS ali je pre svega binarna distribucija a ABS je tu ako neko pozeli da menja pkgbuild(citaj parametre kompajliranja)i tako napravi paket po svojim potrebama(ne treba posebno napominjati da je pravljenje paketa za razliku od ostalih distroa(pre svega rpm i deb derviata)pickin dim-sve u duhu KISS filozofije koju Arch fura)
Drugo koliko ja znam gotovi paketi kod Arch-a su uglavnom plain vanila bez previse patchovanja slicno kao kod Slackware-a
Dakle uglavnom dolaze sa onim parametrima koje je autor programa zamislio po defaultu
Trece ja Arch koristim evo ima vec vise od godinu dana i imao sam mozda par puta probleme sa svakodnevnim update-om-ispravka ili izadje max za nekoliko dana ili mozes jos lakse da uradis downgrade i stavis problematicni paket na ignore listu jer se svi skinuti paketi cuvaju po defaultu u /var/cache/pacman sem ako ih sam korisnik ne izbrise izricito sa komandom pacman -Scc
Cetvrto AUR nije repo koga odrzava Arch Linux tim/package maintener tim vec zajednica Arch korisnika(3hrd party jelte)pa je logicno da tu ima kojecega
I na kraju-koliko sam ja video zvanicni Arch repoi zaista obiluju sa softverom i rekao bi da su najbolji od svih distroa-dodatni plus za mene je sto nisu cistunci po GNU pitanjima pa se u repoima nalazi krs stvari koje neces naci kod ostalih distroa jer se to,jeli,kosi sa njihovim poimanjem slobode i drugim dosadnim RMS-ovskim stvarima koje realno vecinu prosecnih linux usera nimalo ne interesuju 😉
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