30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Slika korisnika Oko_sa_Bagdale

Svima onima kojima sam dosadio anti-Linux komentarima na Linux forumu dajem melem za rane.
Ovo je lista od 30 i kusur razloga zbog kojih nikada ne trebate da probate PC-BSD ili bilo koju od
takozvanih Baba Julkinih verzija FreeBSD-ija ili nedaj boze Net/OpenBSD-ija. LIstu sam ispisao ja licno
isprovociran veoma prijateljskom i pomalo naivnom porukom starog SuSE korisnika na PC-BSD forumu.
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DesktopBSD (Austria) is one man show. He has graduate from university and has a real job now. DesktopBSD is now probably dead. The fundamental disagreement between him and PC-BSD was on the issue of the packaging system. PC-BSD put all the cards behind PBI which was ill conceived solution for volunteering (more or less) project from the very beginning. The number of PBI-s is a testimony to my statement. DesktopBSD decided to stick more to core FreeBSD and just create the
front end for binary packages and also compile them more rapidly since they are usually behind ports. I think that was a right approach.There is a slew of small desktop centric project which lived for a year or two just to die. FreeSBIE (Italian), ReFreeSBIE (Romanian FreeSBIE), TrueBSD (Belorusia), MidnightBSD, Damn Small BSD and so on and so forth.

Most of the projects were run buy couple of guys from their garage as long as
things looked easy and then just disappear into thin air.

Collectively they created couple good tools but that was about it.

The following is the short list of things I personally consider important to be able to compete on the desktop market for the average Joe.

1. LiveCD with the installer (accomplished partially with FreeSBIE which didn't
have HDD installer, also RoFreeSBIE and TrueBSD)
2. High compression algorithm for LiveCD edition which will compress lots of
software 2GB on single 700mb CD like PCLOS (never accomplished)
3. Ability to resize NTFS or Ext2 to enable the space on the HDD for new
operating system (never accomplished). GParted can not be even ported to
FreeBSD since it is Linux specific.
4. FreeBSD even had a problems in the past to boot from extended partition (behind first 8GB).
5. Tool for automatic creation custom LiveCD like mklivecd of PCLOS (partially
possible with FreeSBIE tools)
6. LiveUSB version. (Never accomplished)
7. Windows tools for creating LiveCD and LiveUSB (UNetBoot partially accomplished)
8. Ability to run from NTFS like Wubu (never accomplished).
9. Solid front end for the binary packaging system (never accomplished).
10. Easy way to update binary packages.(Never accomplished)
11. Easy way to binary update base of the system (not possible)
12. Good HDD installer (PCBSD completely accomplished that).
13. Good GUI configuration tools (PCLOS comes to mind) never accomplished.
14. Easy way to configure network including wireless (never accomplished)
15. Good auto detection of the hardware like Knoppix (never accomplished)
16. Slick desktop (FreeSBIE based on Xfce was the coolest)
17. Lack of Gnome version
18. Lack of good auto detection tools for printers (goes under poor hardware
recognition)
19. Inability of developers even to list scanners supported by sane-backends
in usb driver headers which is necessary for them to work.
20. Completely worthless USB stock on FreeBSD which is currently been rewritten from scratch for 8.0.
21. No video camera drivers nor any work on it.
22. No native version of Flash.
23. No native version of Adobe Reader.
24. No native version of Skype.
25. Poor support for latest gadgets(Blue Tooth) .
26. HAL (hardware abstract layer which actually works)
27. Lack of virtualization software like WMWare or SUN's VirtualBox.
28. Poor support for Wine (due to the fact that Wine is coded by Linux people)
29. Almost no support for all-in-one devices (HPLIP) is not fully functional on any BSD due to the fact that it is written for Linux.
30. Lack of proprietary drivers like the one for Epson scanners (Epkowa) or
Brother printers and scanners
31. Inability to run proprietary software like Mathematica, Maple, or MatLab since they are written for Linux.
32. Lack of proprietary drivers for video cards.
33. Lack of ALSA emulator (yes OSS is better so what)
34. Inability to easily mount NTFS, and Ext2 or Ext3 partition from PCBSD running inside Windows.
The list just goes on and on and it painful even to write these things.
In order for anything seriously to change one of big well off corporations
like Apple for instance would have fully to stand behind desktop version of
FreeBSD and to pay tens if not hundreds of developers to work full time on
FreeBSD. I honestly do not see that happening even in much better economic
conditions let alone in the middle of something which looks like a great depression.

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Slika korisnika Moneo

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Ne bih znao-toliko nisam mogao da zivim bez ABS-a da ga ovih godinu dana uopste nisam koristio  Laughing out loud
Lazem,jesam par puta i radio je bez ikavih problema  Wink
Uostalom ABS ti uopste ne treba toliko sem ako nisi package maintener i ako neces da eksperimentises,a razlog je vrlo jednostavan-gotovih paketa ima koliko hoces a pacman radi odlicno Wink
A kod BSD-a portove da koristis moras ako hoces da imas svez softver(sto je jelte interesantno za desktop)
jer se gotovi paketi ne osvezavaju sve do sledeceg izdanja dok je dosta stvari dostupno SAMO iz portova (mos misliti muke kada krenes da kompajliras nesto vece sto se oteze kao gladna godina Laughing out loud a kod Arch-a se instalira momentalno  Laughing out loud)
Problema ponekad ima (sto je i razumljivo jer je u pitanju cutting edge softver)ali workaround se za tili cas nadje na Arch forumima koji su odlicni-btw BSD nema zvanicne forume a i one sto ima su za koplje ispod Wink
Tako da kao sto rekoh-Arch je binarna distribucija pre svega a Gentoo je source distribucija(BSD takodje vise naginje tome)pa to sto je ABS sranje(a i to je diskutabilno,jer ja nesto nisam primetio  Wink)nema neku preteranu tezinu  Tongue

Slika korisnika nebjak

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

ПОЧЕО РАТ ИТМЕЂУ ПИНГВИНА И ЂАВОЛАКА!

Ко ли ће победити? На кладионици је "икс" 1,05!

Slika korisnika Anonimni korisnik

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Oko

koliko je sati kod tebe. Kod mene 3:17 PM, 03/17/2009

Slika korisnika Oko_sa_Bagdale

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

na12 wrote:

Ja sam probao skoro FreeBSD 7.1 i stvarno ne znam zasto bi neko koristio BSD pored linux-a,sve sto ima freebsd ima i linux,pa i vise.Nisam primetio nista vise stabilnosti ili bilo cega vise nego sto imam na Arch linux-u.

To je zato sto nemamo svi iste potrebe. Ono sto sam ja gore izlistao su tipicni zahtevi za desktop korisnika.
Ranije smo konstatovali da BSD-s i Solaris nemogu nista da ponude prosecnom desktop korisniku od onoga sto
moze da im ponudi Linux. Dapace Linux ima vise stvari u kernelu koje ce tipican desktop korisnik smatrati korisnim. Ja sam samo izlistao stvari koje bi smetale recimo mojoj pokojnoj Baba Jordanki da je koristila PC-BSD na desktop-u. Ocigledno je da ima nas koji mozemo da koristim BSDs, u mom slucaju OpenBSD kao desktop operativni sistem i da nemamo nikakvih problema. Pretpostavljam da bi to bio i sa tobom slucaj ako bi morao da koristis BSD ili Solaris.

FreeBSD ces koristiti ako ti treba UFS i soft updates, ZFC, Dtrace,  Jails, PF ili rock solid network stack. Zadnji put kada sam proveravao Linux nije imao nista od toga. Korektan odogor na pitanje sta je najbolji operativni sistem ili sta je najbolja aplikacija je:"Ono sto je najbolji alat za odgovarajuci posao".  

Tesko da ces o stabilinosti OS moci da zakljucis piceci desktop aplikacije. Sta bi se desilo ako bi recimo imao 100
terabytes podataka ucitanih i iscitanih u roku od 24 sata ili 5 000 000 korisnika kao ISP je druga prica.

Da stavim u kontekst moju poruku. Covek se iscudjavao zasto neke Desktop stvari tako dobro rade na SuSU koji je komercijalna desktop Linux distribucija a slabo na PC-BSD koji ima firmu sa 35 ljudi iza sebe i dva dobrovoljca koji svremena na vreme nesto kao kodiraju na njemu.

P.S. Moj omiljeni razlog iz koga je BSD superiorniji od Linux-a http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html

Slika korisnika Oko_sa_Bagdale

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Ljuba wrote:

Oko

koliko je sati kod tebe. Kod mene 3:17 PM, 03/17/2009

Ja sam u EST (Eastern Standard Time) vremenskoj zoni uglavnom osim kada nisam na sluzbenom putu. Moj comp koji radii pod OpenBSD-ijem  koristi naravno UTC (Universal Coordinate Time).

Slika korisnika Oko_sa_Bagdale

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

nebjak wrote:

ПОЧЕО РАТ ИТМЕЂУ ПИНГВИНА И ЂАВОЛАКА!

Ко ли ће победити? На кладионици је "икс" 1,05!

Slusaj (lahki) Pingvin, nemo da se vredjamo! Ja sam ovde nekakva Puffy riba Police.

Slika korisnika na12

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Oko_sa_Bagdale wrote:

Moj omiljeni razlog iz koga je BSD superiorniji od Linux-a http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html

Ovo nisam video do sada,priznajem sad da je bsd bolji od linux-a.  >:D

Slika korisnika Anonimni korisnik

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Mozda je bolji ali lepsi nije! Kao dokaz evo jedne ubuntice ili, govoreci jezikom politicke korektnosti ( da se ne uvredi romska populacija ), ubuntkinje....

Slika korisnika slobex90

Odg: 30 i kusur razloga da ne koristite PC-BSD

Ko šta voli neka koristi (linux,osx,windows,bsd,solaris) svi smo ljudi Smile